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Lord Gøn

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  • I have been trying to read about some of the cases on your Nastrond page. But since most of the articles are not in English, and  a number of them have unavaliable sources, i wanted to ask you about the cases. Could you give me information on the cases on the page and why you didnt add them to the list? You dont have to do it all at once.

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    • Naströnd is a trash dump. Generally I collect cases there that I still have to look into in more detail to figure out if they fit my criteria, or not. A lot of them are quite dubious, and before I can decide what to do with them I have to find additional information, which is often quite difficult.

      You mean, you want information on all those cases? For the time being I'm rather inactive here, as you might've noticed, because my field of interest has shifted within the last year, but if you tell me what you want to know I'll see what I can do.

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    • Currently im looking into cases that happened in Austria, so i have questions about the Limbisch amok case, and the 1893 Austria-Hungary amok case.

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  • These are a few questions about some of the cases on the list. I saw on the Wikipedia talk page of Christian Dorner that, according to L'Impartial, a 15th person later died of their injuries. Why havent you updated the article to mention that?

    Another question is why there is an 'F' in the weapons category of Gallo Bemon? Because i havent seen anything that said he used a gun.

    And finally, was the waitress stabbed by Abd El Maleck counted among the 8 wounded, or were there 9 wounded, including her?

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    • I have been aware of the 15th victim of Dornier for quite some time, it was, if I remember correctly, Juliette Périard, an old woman who was gravely injured and died half a year later. The reason why I refrained so far from counting her as one of the fatalities was that I couldn't find any information concerning the cause of her death, if she died from her injuries sustained in the shooting, of old age, or a combination of both.

      Concerning Bemon Gallo, I don't remember why I added an F in the weapons column, I'd have to thoroughly check the case again to figure that out, however, after reading one of the articles I see that it was mentioned that one of Gallo's victims had armed himself with a handgun before being killed, so I assume this is the gun in question. I presume that Gallo might have taken and used it during the murders, but again, I'd have to take a closer look to make sure.

      As far as I can see the waitress is included in the total victim count. Are you referring to the following part? "In a matter of minutes he thus killed nine people and wounded eight more..." Those are only the people he shot during his initial rampage, so including the waitress he had injured nine people at that time. Add to that the waiting motorist he wounded later on and you get ten injured, one of whom later died.

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  • I accidentally came across a news article that has more information on this case. The murderer was Zafar Iqbal, and he committed the murders at the villages of Arya Mohalla and Sangori, all of the victims were from the same family. He was executed in 2016.

    https://nation.com.pk/11-May-2016/murderer-of-11-among-two-sent-to-gallows

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  • I just made a page on the list, and i was wondering, is there anywhere i can find a full list of victims? The sources provided gave 21 names, and i have searched for the names of the other 14 victims, but didnt find anything. Also, where did you find the figure of 17 injured?

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  • I attempted to add Jose Candido da Silva, but it seems whenever a new case gets added, the list gets bugged. Are we just not going to be able to add new cases from now on?

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    • Hey, I know this comes a bit late, I've been quite busy recently, but thanks a lot for that! I've been wondering about that case ever since I have found a small snippet at the AFP-archive that mentioned it, though I was unable to unearth any additional information and put it into my backlog of cases that require further research. Thanks to you I can now add it to the regular list.

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  • Case Recently added to the list of rampage killers, the list says they killed 19 and injured 16, but from the article sourced, I cannot tell what the casualties were. Could you help?

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    • This article here says they killed 14 and wounded 21 http://www.bestchinanews.com/History/9439.html

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    • If this is the case I think it is, then I have known of it for quite a few years, but I never studied it in detail. I will eventually look into it, but atm I don't have the time to do so, however, as far as I can recall, the reports I have seen about this incident said 19 people were killed, so I think this is likely the correct number.

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  • I know this is a pretty random case to point out, but I want to know what the source said because I was wondering how the death toll would vary with only one source.

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    • The story of the case is the following:

      At Karachi, one April, a coolie was sitting in a shop, when another man came in with a knife in his belt; without rhyme or reason the seated coolie grabbed the knife, stabbed its owner and the shopkeeper, and then run amok through the town, killing thirteen people, all of whom were complete strangers to him.

      The question here is, do the thirteen people killed include the owner and shopkeeper, or not? Were these two fatally stabbed, or only injured? The given information is not clear enough in this regard, and from experience I know that either could be true.

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  • I found this case on your nastrond page, and since the article is not avaliable, what did it say? Im curious because i want to know how the article failed to say how many people were killed OR injured.

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    • I don't remember what the exact context was, but the incident was only briefly mentioned in the article. All it said was that during the New Year's Eve celebration someone drove his car into a crowd in Berlin. I tried to find more information about this case in German news archives, but came up empty handed. Maybe the number of victims was very small.

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    • Id guess that probably no one was killed.

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    • Correction, it was not the New Year's Eve celebration, but the celebration of German reunification, which in all probability was also the topic of the article.

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  • On the infobox for that case, it says that 2 others were wounded, but the page itself doesnt mention anything about injuries. Was this a mistake or did you actually find out 2 people were injured?

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    • Good question. I've wondered myself some time ago, but couldn't come to a conclusion, so I left it as it is.

      There are several possibilities here.

      1. The article from The Milwaukee Sentinel, which isn't accessible anymore, included information that is missing in all the others.

      2. The article in The Canberra Times cites AFP as a source. Maybe I've gotten the information from there when their archive was still up.

      3. Maybe I've concluded from the given information that she must have battered more than the babies killed, so assumed that 2+ were injured.

      4. Or it was a mistake on my part, perhaps because I forgot the number when I copy-pasted the infobox from another page. Unfortunately the archive of wikia seems to be buggy. I created the Soweto article "17:57, November 3, 2013‎", but when I look at Special:AncientPages it is missing and only shows:

      • Olimpiades Velasco‏‎ (17:08, November 3, 2013)
      • Leyte amok case‏‎ (18:37, November 4, 2013)

      So I don't know what articles I've created after Olimpiades Velasco‏‎, and if one of them may have had two injured. The article about Tian Zhaokai, created 17:01, November 3, 2013, has however, so maybe I copied the infobox from that article, and forgot to remove the injured number.

      The entry at the LoRK: Africa still has a question mark where the number of injured should be, so I really don't know what has happened.

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